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The Case of the Whining Christians

January 31st 2007 19:37


If you’ve read any of my recent blogs about Muslims whining about things, well apparently the Christians were beginning to feel left out. Let me paint the picture for you:

There was a Pagan Pride festival being held at Richmond Hills Park (Grand Rapids). This is something that takes place across the country in various cities and times of the year. Pagans hold a “pride” festival to show what their religious beliefs actually are and to try to promote religious tolerance in the community. Plus, Pagans can get together in the open and not feel like they have to scurry around in the darkness of night under cloaks and veils. Instead they pay for a permit and have a festival in a local park. So, now enter the holier-than-thou Christian group. They decide to attend the festival, but not to show support. Instead they wanted to spread their own word by using a wooden platform, but no microphones or amplifiers. You can only imagine what they wanted to get on their soap box and “speak” about, right?


Now enter the Grand Rapids police. A sergeant told the Christian group they could not do what they were doing without a permit….kind of like what the Pagan group had to do. So he basically told them that they were disturbing the peace and had to leave. This is when the Allied Defense Fund attorneys step into the picture. Apparently one of the Christians stated that they were forcefully pulled from the platform, handcuffed, and then placed in the back of the cop car. The remaining members of the group were then threatened with arrest if they did not leave the park.


Here is where the Christian group begins whining. The group was supposedly told that even if they tried for a permit, it would not be given because of the apparently conflict of interest between them and the festival goers. So what do they do except team up with the Allied Defense Fund and whine about it. That’s a great idea. Now a complaint has been filed in the US District Court for the Western District of Michigan. They claim “Religious speech is protected under the First Amendment and cannot be silenced because of a city-imposed permit requirement,” according to Wenger an attorney for the ADF. Do you want to hear the kicker? The name of the Christian group that was trying to enforce their freedom of speech rights is named “The Worldwide Street Preachers’ Fellowship”. That should tell you right there what they were up to by “attending” the Pagan event.

So whine away little Christians. In my personal opinion I think it’s asinine that they not only attempted it but then also got an attorney so they could complain about it. Maybe next time the Christians are having something outside in celebration of Jesus then a group of Pagans, Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, and even Atheists should try to disrupt their celebration and cry freedom of speech and religion. I’m sure they would get their panties in a bunch over that, now wouldn’t they?

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Comment by youranter

February 1st 2007 10:52
That was totally wrong. I hope the judge has enough sense to toss the case. It seems to me that when neo-Nazis try to interupt a black parade, they are told to either stay away or watch it and shut up. I don't recall any of them taking their case to court, crying 'Freedom of Speech. Probably because they know they'd lose.

Comment by Francis

February 2nd 2007 00:06
Freedom of speech has never been held to be absolute- as long as everyone who wants to demonstrate in the park is required to get the permit than it's perfectly legal.

These are the sort who give Jesus Contactees a bad name, by going over the top to pee on someone else's parade. And yes, they would most certainly call the police, Homeland Security and Knight Rider if anyone held a demonstration outside their church during services.

Comment by Abe

February 6th 2007 15:52
The problem as I see it, Miss Faith, is the ridiculous notion that man-made law somehow trumps God's Law. A Christian doing their duty has no choice but to confront and rebuff heathen activity wherever it is found. I myself have counter-demonstrated at pagan festivals, Wiccan Solstice Celebrations, Jewish temples, libraries, grade schools, and many other places where un-Christian sentiments are expressed.
Asking these good Christians not to step in to save souls, as God demands, is akin to asking them not to try to save a child from a burning building. You do think we should save burning children, right?


Comment by Miss Faith

February 6th 2007 16:41
Man made law huh? Well, if we were living by “God’s law” then we could be in the middle of a huge religious war between Muslims and Christians once again. Great idea Abe! With “God’s Law”, Christians could have free reign to bash anyone that doesn’t see things the way they see it. How about public stonings for non-believers or those that commit adultery? Maybe you could team up with the Muslims that agree with Shariah law and take over the country to make things “right” again.

Shame on you for passing judgment on those that you protest against. Do you remember the Bible, Abe? I do recall something about not judging others…have you been judged, Abe? Maybe you should be.

I grew up Christian and can tell you that the beliefs I followed and were taught did not liken saving someone’s sole to that of saving a child from a burning building. You save a child from a building out of love and nurturing….people try to “save” soles for God because they don’t want to admit that what they believe and follow may not be the end all. Most Christians are so close-minded it’s not even funny. I guess that’s why there have been so many wars in the name of “Jesus”. I bet Jesus is turning over in his grave from all of this…oh wait…he wasn’t there so never mind, right?

Comment by Abe

February 6th 2007 17:29
I was actually enjoying your response, Miss Faith, as I have long been a proponent of re-establishing Biblical law (stonings are at the top of the list!). Sadly, I detected a note of sarcasm by the end that leads me to believe that you were not sincere in your suggestion. Although it may be futile, as I doubt that you will come to know Jesus as I do, I would urge you to read this:

CLICK ME TO FIND JESUS

It may help.

Comment by youranter

February 6th 2007 17:53
Abe, do you know how many Christian beliefs are founded on Pagan origins? Maybe you want to look that up. These World Wide Preachers have gone across the country launching frivilous lawsuits in order to try to impose their will on others. If they were truly on the up and up, and not just trouble makers, maybe they would have gotten a permit to hold their own little get together. Pagans and Wiccans are recognized religons in a country which separates church from state. Just because you don't agree withem, which is your right, doesn't mean you have the right to demean or denigrate them. BTW, your example of the child in the burning building was pathetic. I guess if you can't really argue a point intelligently, you have to resort to cheap shots.

Comment by Abe

February 6th 2007 18:54
Separation of Church and State? That is a fallacy, sir, concocted by the ACLU to ferment their liberal agenda. This country was founded on Biblical law (according to my preacher, all of the Founding Fathers were born again Christians. All those stories about Ben Franklin being a ladies man, Jefferson and Adams being rational men of science, etc.? More ACLU lies. That evil group has their hand in everything!)

As you've no doubt noticed, we have a Godly man in office as the President of the U.S. America is prosperous and beloved under him as it has never been before. His administration is slowly ripping down the so-called "Wall of Separation" brick by brick. If only we could change the law so that presidents could serve lifetime terms! (Of course, that law would have to be immediately repealed if ever a yellow liberal atheist democrat was elected president)

Since you are so dismissive of my example and avoided actually commenting on it, I can safely assume that you are in favor of letting children burn. For shame, sir.

Comment by youranter

February 6th 2007 22:39
Abe, it seems to me that your Constitution forbids the enacting of any law that governs religion. Forgive me for being Canadian and not remembering the exact words. As for presidents serving life terms, we have that here sir, and it doesn't work. Trust me. I, too, am of a Conservative bent, but not as radical as you. As for addressing your question of burning babies, I have been accused of being a Nazi bastard who used pitchforks on them to shovel them into ovens. Your example is totally without merit and offends me greatly. FYI, no I would not let a baby burn. Just the same as the Jews, the Pagans, the Wiccans, the Muslims, the Buddhists and whatever other religion you can come up with would not let a baby burn. That argument is so ridiculous, I shall treat it with the contempt it deserves.

Comment by Francis

February 6th 2007 22:43
Abe posts:

Asking these good Christians not to step in to save souls, as God demands, is akin to asking them not to try to save a child from a burning building. You do think we should save burning children, right?

Depends: How many BTU can we get from burning a child as compared to the energy we can get from burning the amount of oil we could get for the same price? Also, would the emissions from a child-fired generator contravene any EPA guidelines?

CLICK ME TO FIND JESUS

How long has He been missing? Mayhaps we could have His picture printed n cartons of holy water?

Comment by Abe

February 6th 2007 23:45
That is a sensible question, Francis. Obviously we have to assume that we're using heathen children for this purpose, as their souls are condemned to burn anyway. I imagine that the age of the children makes a difference as well (younger children being fattier than older, and thus more likely to be combustible).

As for Jesus being missing, I think you must be mistaken. I have just spoken with Him today. Have you tried calling Him?

Comment by Abe

February 6th 2007 23:46
Youranter, I'm sorry. The Lord commands that I forgive my enemies their transgressions, which I do. But I cannot forgive you for being Canadian.

Comment by Francis

February 7th 2007 01:04
God's Stormtrooper posts:

As for Jesus being missing, I think you must be mistaken. I have just spoken with Him today. Have you tried calling Him?

Does He have a toll-free number, or is it one of those 900 phone-salvation lines?

Comment by Miss Faith

February 7th 2007 04:10
I was laughing so hard at some of the comments from eveyone I may be on my way to see Jesus when I fall over dead from laughter. And I can't believe how naive I am...yes I clicked on Abe's link to what else but his blog page. I've seen your page before Abe...rather amusing yet confusing. Never heard of a stormtrooper for God...what do they look like anyway? White plastic uniform with a Moses beard and staff? Do you get sandals or boots....or nothing? You know what they say "accessories make the man".

Comment by Francis

February 7th 2007 06:07
Never heard of a stormtrooper for God...what do they look like anyway? White plastic uniform with a Moses beard and staff?

(Slowly waving my fingers)... "These aren't the Pagans you're looking for... he can go about his business... move along..."

Comment by youranter

February 7th 2007 10:30
God's Stormtrooper. I like that. Mind if I use it? LOL.

Comment by Abe

February 7th 2007 23:11
Miss Faith, I am unique in my God Stormtroopery. It is my blend of total and utter unity with Jesus coupled with my fondness for Star Wars that has given me the tools to be so effective at fighting heathens everywhere. My ultimate goal is to truly bring the two passions together in a concrete way, say, by freezing atheists in carbonite.

I fail to see how any of my comments might be amusing.

Comment by Abe

February 7th 2007 23:12
Youranter, of course you may use it. God has directed me to charge you a usage fee of $25 for each instance you do, though.

Comment by Abe

February 7th 2007 23:22
Miss Faith, as you are one who browses the news for religious reporting, I would recommend reading this:

THE BEST NEWS EVER

Comment by youranter

February 8th 2007 10:34
Star Wars pretty much says it all. The cheques in the mail, Abe. Trust me.

Comment by Miss Faith

February 8th 2007 13:19
Abe - I wasn't going to click the link this time...knowing full well that it would go to your blog...but the title in for the web page intrigued me. Your powers are strong young Jedi but trick me again you will not.

Comment by Abe

February 8th 2007 13:51
Miss Faith, please do not confuse me with the hippy-dippy Jedi. I am merely a faithful Stormtrooper in the service of my Emperor. My only goal is to lead as many people in this world as possible to His heavenly Death Star.

Comment by Miss Faith

February 8th 2007 14:05
When can we look forward to His heavenly deathstar exploding like in the movie? See Abe...it's hopeless. The death star is to be "history" as is written by the great one Mr. Lucas. Join us now and convert to the good side...deny the darkness and see the light that is Paganism.

Comment by Abe

February 8th 2007 14:13
I'm sorry, I'm not sure what you're talking about. Yes, I know the Death Star is destroyed in 'New Hope' (representing attacks on Christianity by heathen enemies), but it is quickly rebuilt and the Empire triumphs forever. My copy of 'Return of the Jedi' is defective, so I've never seen the last 15 minutes of the movie, but it's obvious that the Emperor wins. Am I missing something here?

Comment by youranter

February 8th 2007 14:18

Comment by Francis

February 9th 2007 00:05
Abe posts:

I'm sorry, I'm not sure what you're talking about. Yes, I know the Death Star is destroyed in 'New Hope' (representing attacks on Christianity by heathen enemies), but it is quickly rebuilt and the Empire triumphs forever. My copy of 'Return of the Jedi' is defective, so I've never seen the last 15 minutes of the movie, but it's obvious that the Emperor wins. Am I missing something here?

In the finale the cloying, concentrated cuteness of the Ewoks rips a hole in the fabric of space-time. The Death Star is sent back in time, but with part of the name plate obscured by cosmic dust (All that is still visible reads D...AR) the crew thinks they're on a mission to "merge" with the producers of Beastmaster.

Comment by Abe

February 9th 2007 00:10
My goodness! I never would have suspected that at all. I simply assumed that the Emperor defeated the Rebel Alliance and subjugated the galaxy forever. You know, the natural happy ending.

I hope that the Death Star crew uses caution if they meet that wily Beast Master. His little demonic rodents, Kodo and Podo, will chew the wiring right out from under them!

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