Witch Willows WanderingsMuslim Groups Lash Out at 24, so I am Lashing Back
January 19th 2007 20:14
And I Have to Vent
****Warning: This is my rant and my opinion. If you don’t want to know my opinion about Muslim groups at this point in time then don’t continue to read this blog****
Okay, I’ve tried to be a peaceful and loving person, especially on the side of different religions….but now I’ve had enough. The Muslim community is up in arms yet again. This time it has to do with the story line for season 6 of 24. 24 is one of my favorite shows, just like a majority of people in America. They have a HUGE fan following and I think it’s because they like to push the envelope and make the scenes seem more of a true to life scenario (kind of). They basically get you thinking about what’s happening on this planet, especially in our own country. But the average person that happens to have a mind of their own knows darn well that the show is fictional and do not automatically race off to “string up” some Muslims.
Ever since 9/11 the US has been on edge in fear of another attack. Now that it seems that we are finally starting to calm down a little, enter the bitching Muslim groups. Need I remind them that no matter what they say or don’t say, the men that took over the planes on 9/11 were MUSLIMS…not pasty white Christians or Jews but MUSLIMS. To add to this, the Muslim community really didn’t step up after 9/11 and denounce what happened like they should have. Now they have been pushing the limit on how they are treated on airplanes and how if they act “abnormal” they are being racially profiled and detained. So to keep adding to their bitch-fest they have decided to attack one of the top rated shows in the US. They are asking for apologies and even possibly the removal of the show or at least a drastic change in the story line.
For those of you that haven’t caught this season, the producers have actually played fair. They show 2 different groups of Muslims….the terrorists that detonated a nuclear bomb (suitcase bomb) in Los Angeles and the ex-terrorist turned good guy that is actually trying to stop what is happening and working with Jack. What more do the Muslims want? Does Jack have to convert to Islam before they are actually happy?
The reason I am so ticked off at this point is how the Muslim community has began complaining about everything. They feel like they are being mistreated but they yet have proven themselves to be as peaceful and loving as they say they are. I am sure there are actual peaceful Muslims, but the fact that the “groups” are virtually speaking for all of them as a whole and asking all of them to boycott or complain about certain things is utterly outrageous. If you take a look back at the past seasons of 24, they have portrayed terrorists as different kinds of people….not just middle eastern or Muslim. So why aren’t the Russians, Germans, all blond-haired males, or even President Bush angry over the storylines of the past seasons of 24? Oh, because they DON’T CARE. They have more to do that complain and boycott a television studio because of a FICTIONAL show. Why didn’t the black community complain about last season when the only black president at the time was assassinated? Why didn’t women’s groups complain over how they showed Martha, President Logan’s wife, being treated by men and her husband? They made her look like an idiot and virtually nuts for almost the entire season. But nobody boycotted Fox when any of this happened….until now.
If you are a fan of the show, you will actually remember back in 2005 when Fox had Kiefer Sutherland issue a statement on TV about how Muslims are not terrorists. I thought it was ridiculous at that point and now I think the Muslim community is even more wacko. My question is this: They complain about the show 24, but have not said much about a documentary that was all over the major news channels last year called “obsession”. The movie showed live footage from various middle eastern countries where they brainwash children into hating America, Americans, and anyone not Muslim. They can say these are cases of “radical islamists” all they like, but why not complain that this movie was shown all over the country? It was a DOCUMENTARY and 24 is a FICTIONAL show.
So what has the Muslim community been trying to boycott? Let’s take a look:
-US Airways
-Northwest Airlines
-Fox and 24
-Anything with Israel (all companies listed below that affiliate with Israel)
-Starbucks, Caterpillar, Intel, Coca-Cola, The Limited Stores, Mattel, AOL/Time Warner, Nokia, Sara Lee, Marks and Spencer, Johnson and Johnson, Nestle, Estee Lauder, Home Depot, IBM, L’Oreal, McDonalds, and various news Corps (Fox, Sky, Star, National Geographic, NY Post, The Sun, The Times, Harper Collins, TV Guide, and the LA Dodgers).
-ABC
-Anything Danish
-Really anything that is not owned by a Muslim or has to do with Islam.
Here is something interesting, if you go to this website: Boycott Site you can see how some of them think and see the hatred they try to pass on to others. This site even has a “list" of people that are anti-Muslim and the site owner states it’s NOT a hit list but a list of bigots. Are you on the list? It seems like maybe the website isn’t up-to-date, but it’s still there with links and contact info, so someone still owns it.
So what is to come of all of this? I feel that if the Muslims continue to push on everything, people may begin to push back…which is exactly what they are trying to not have happen when they are complaining. It’s back-firing on them and it’s going to make Islam-American relations worse if they keep complaining about everything and demanding so much for themselves. It’s not just the whites or blacks or American non-Muslims that feel what is happening. Muslims are feeling the separation as well. My next door neighbor (Muslim) has begun standing there looking at my family very angrily like it is us that have personally kicked them off a plane or hurt them in some way.
Instead of the Muslim groups complaining and calling for boycotts and so forth, why don’t they get their heads out of their behinds and find a way to work with people? Apparently they have never heard that you catch more flies with honey.
Okay. I feel better getting this off my chest. I hope they stop with their pursuit against Fox and the airlines. If not, I feel they may be making their way of life even worse than it was before. They are afraid that all of the “negative” talk on TV and things will make wackos retaliate against them, but don’t they understand that by complaining so much they are going to anger the wackos themselves? They need to stop, take a breath, and meditate or something. Or how about just getting over it?
Blessed Be
| 108 |
| Vote |
Subscribe to this blog
Comment by David my David
I reckon there should be more posts like this ... (and I mean that sincerely and genuinely... ) ...
This post is a true expression of freedom of speech ... It's just someone expressing their opinion ... and I like it ...
I'll make a huge assumption/presumption here and guess your faith is Jewish? ...
Me? Lapsed Catholic ... but more posts like this please ...
Someone has to break down the barriers of religious intolerance (disguised under banners of religious tolerance ...
David ...
Comment by Ahmed
Video Gamer Kids
Little Green Foosballs
PolyKicks
Cinema Three
9/11 was not perpetuated by Muslims, I don't need to bother going into detail why, figure it out yourself.
As for boycotting fox news, yeah they ahve every right to boycott fox news, as does every intelligent human being on the face of the planet. Fox is pretty much anti-Democrats. Doesn't take a genius to figure out that smoking 3 malboro's a day is not a scandal as they seem to think.
Theres other stuff fair and balanced fox news have reported spanning pretty much everything, so long as it has been anti-Democrat, back in the elections they were ramming home an idea that the democrats were 'too french', oh come on, is this news?
Of course it is the way it is, muslims this, muslims that, perhaps if there were more mainstream shows about witches eating babies you'd understand. Sure it isn't the truth, but wouldn't it be nice for a bit of entertainment?
I'm not saying 24 is a bad show or that it should be banned, but you have to start thinking about other peoples feelings instead of getting angry so easily.
Just thought that you might want to know Muslims adapt and integrate really well into communities, if they look different it is only because of culture, not religion, look at Senator Keith Ellison, right down to his very name it doens't sound 'Islamic', or more like 'Arab'.
Comment by Brenton
Dr Spin
Tales From The Other Side
Downwrite
Blip Blog
Gadget Museum
Comment by Damo
For the Sake of Argument
My Apologetics
You run a blog decorated with what is traditionally a satanic symbol.
You have a link to to a site:
http://www.associatedcontent.com/user/29627/miss_faith.html
That has several articals doing little more than attacking other faiths and religions.
You have written rants before that show a total lack of theological education.
Why should any be surprised with this addition to your portfolio?
Maybe not everyone sees America as Camelot , FOX owner Murdock as King Arthur.
May not everyone likes being steroetyped as a terrorist to the point that their paraniod neighbors begin to think they are looking at them funny.
Comment by Anonymous
He can have his opinions. And if one man and his blog feels that way, how many others around the western world do you think are beginning to feel this way? The Muslim world has its extremists attacking the western world, if things continue as they are I can see western extremists taking action against Muslim targets. And you know it'll be the innocent Muslims that integrate into society that will be targeted first.
Just stop segragating yourselves further before it goes too far. Fictional TV shows and petty danish cartoons are no threat to your religion. GET OVER IT!!
Comment by Francis
Passionate Apathy
I find it
hilariousinteresting that Muslims get so bent out of shape over a TV show or cartoons- but do we ever see them protesting the radical fringe and their "Death to just about everyone!!" rallies?If Muslims are really so ticked off about being linked to terrorism, then why do we never see them demonstrating against Osama bin Laden, who does far more to link Islam to terrorism before 9:00 every morning than the entire evil, infidel Western media do all day?
Ahmed:
At least, give us a hint: Who in the planning, financing and hijacking phases of the 9/11 attacks weren't Muslim?
Comment by Brenton
Dr Spin
Tales From The Other Side
Downwrite
Blip Blog
Gadget Museum
The point is, it's not nice to be always shown as a baddie. This is whether you're Muslim, Wikkan, Jeish, Gay, Addicted, Sadomasochistic, Albino or Disabled.
So while I'm all for free speech (and the right to make money, even in self indulgent war porn) I can sypathise with what's being said.
I boycott Nestle too, btw.
Comment by Damo
For the Sake of Argument
My Apologetics
Who uses the symbol predominently does matter.
Perhaps it would too much to expect you connect the dots and see another group is continually potrayed as: dishonest, fanatical and filthy, just to sell someones warped view of the world.
Perhaps it is too much to ask why some people are being heaped with collective guilt over a crimes that were committed by individuals.
Comment by Ahmed
Video Gamer Kids
Little Green Foosballs
PolyKicks
Cinema Three
"The Muslim world has its extremists attacking the western world, if things continue as they are I can see western extremists taking action against Muslim targets."
Umm, that has already happened, it has been happening for quite some time actually goes way back, a few hundred years, a few thousand years in fact, back to the crusades
Of course it is more complicated than that, but the basic idea of extremist westerners attacking Muslims is quite old.
"If Muslims are really so ticked off about being linked to terrorism, then why do we never see them demonstrating against Osama bin Laden, who does far more to link Islam to terrorism before 9:00 every morning than the entire evil, infidel Western media do all day?"
Because they have better things to do, like you yourself, what do you want? Us to go protest every day saying how bad such and such person is, if people like you hate bin laden so much why don't you protest against him? Seriously, go ahead, I'll join you, but I'm under no obligation to start this protest just to make you happy.
"At least, give us a hint: Who in the planning, financing and hijacking phases of the 9/11 attacks weren't Muslim?"
Simple law in Islam, anyone who disturbs peace between any group of people (including between Muslims and non-muslims) where peace exists is breaking one of the fundamental laws of Islam and hence is actually committing what christianity would call a 'deadly sin', the punishment for disturbing the peace is in fact execution in Islam.
Also it is relaly wierd with Islam, I cann't as a Muslim insult other peoples beliefs or religions at all, it's actually forbidden for me, I have to put up with people insulting me and putting me down for who I am and I wont say a word against them or their gods, it makes me look weak and vulnerable to attack, which is true.
But soon as yout ake away my right to live and start villifying me to the point people start treating me as a threat I will have the authority to step up and do what I must to regain my status in society.
As for the 'infidel' western media, yeah I hate it, I hate it the way it presents bias in so many situations, this extends beyond how it villifies the victim of the day. I think your one of those people who think fox news is fair and balanced, if you do, well my sympathies to you.
BTW Kieth Elison is a bin laden sympathiser and is working with the enemy, he has never participated in any form of Anti-Bin Laden protest and smokes 3 marl Boro's a day, thats what Fox News says anyway so it must be true
Comment by Miss Faith
-David My David: Thanks for the positive comment. I started this blog as a show of my freedom of speech and to show the good AND bads of various religions. I enjoy having freedom of speech and as the warning said at the top, it is MY rant and MY opinion…if you don’t want to know it then don’t continue past the warning. Oh, and not Jewish…semi-pagan, denounced Christian. So those that think it may be religiously motivated it’s not.
-Ahmed: You have always posted some very good comments on my blog. I know this could be a touchy subject, but also keep in mind that I live in America. Things are a little different here with how Muslims act since they know they have freedom of speech and civil rights attorneys to back them on anything and everything. As for 9/11 not being perpetuated by Muslims, how do you figure that? The men, even though not all from one area, were all Muslim as was the funding and backing of the attacks. They planned this to not only kill people and hurt America but to leave their lasting mark on our country as well, and all in the name of Allah. Even though not all muslims are like this, there are A LOT of them on this planet that are. I was married into a muslim (Syrian) family for 6 years, and that was almost 6 entire years of hell. I know first hand how some Muslims view America and Americans. And as for adaptation and Senator Ellison, his name doesn’t sound “Islamic” because he’s black and his family has been in America since 1742. He actually used to be a Catholic and converted…so that’s why his name is not “Arab” or “Islamic”. He could have adapted a new Islamic name, but didn’t and I’m sure it has to do with the fact of running for public office.
-Damo: Yes, my neighbor looks at me and my family funny, but not a glance…he stands at his car or front door and literally GLARES at us until we leave from his site or ask him if he needs something. He has no idea what my religious beliefs are…just that I am a white American woman. And as for your little comment about a lack of a theological education, #1 I am an educated person (higher education and a 3.9 grade point average while in college) as well as having a fairly high I.Q…how about you? I see that you supposedly know so much about IT (such as networking, etc). Did you obtain an actual degree for this or is it self taught and if you went to school I would hope you did just as well as I did in order to be labeled an actual network ENGINEER. #2 maybe you need to educate yourself on theology a bit more before making a statement about “satanic” symbols. And as for my other blogs, I talk about ALL religions, including my own. Please pay more attention.
-Francis: Great comments! Thanks for the support. I see you’re American as well. It’s interesting to see that the comments standing up for Muslims aren’t coming from Americans…not that there aren’t some in America that wouldn’t stand up for them. David has been the only Aussie agreeing with the blog and asking for more even as a lapsed Catholic.
Everyone needs to understand that all countries are different and unless you actually are living in America you have no idea what is actually going on here. It’s different than what it smeared all over the news. There are tons of people in this country that disagree with all of this boycotting nonsense and are getting tired of hearing it. But it’s not just Muslims, it’s Americans growing tired of hearing EVERYONE wanting to sue and complain about civil rights, whether they were infringed upon or not. And as the top of the blog states: this blog was my opinion and rant and nobody had to continue to read past that point if they didn’t want to know what my opinion was on the situation. And finally, unless you can put yourself in a situation of living with Muslims that don’t care for the US and really anyone that is not a Muslim, then don’t pass your judgment on me because I was in that situation for years before. Thanks for all of the comments.
Comment by Miss Faith
I see this could be a touchy subject since you do not follow the ways of Islam that come across as radical. However, the religion does have these sort of followers as well, and there are more than you think. Just like Christianity and other religions have their nut jobs and bad apples, so would Islam. AND with all due respect, I believe what Francis was actually getting at with her Bin Laden comment was to show that Muslims can find the time to boycott companies, products, and shows or rally in the street when a picture of Mohammed is drawn for a cartoon, but didn’t take one millisecond to come out and support Americans by visually protesting Bin Laden and so-called “radical islam”.
I was married to a man for 6 years and lived a horrible life until I finally got the courage to just leave (which he still "stalked me 2 years after the divorce). He controlled all I did, said and thought and his family (all muslim and Syrian) were very very open about their hate for Americans (and non-muslims). I was constantly reminded by his family that I ruined his “arranged marriage” and how we should never have children or even be married since our “blood” is different and my blood is unclean because I was a white American non-believer. Come on! Yes, I have baggage from that and luckily never had children with him, but hearing Muslims in America complain about EVERYTHING it’s annoying and unfair to the people that live here and have lived here for generations. The dispute over 24 and the airlines is just a drop in the bucket. It’s just that you don’t always hear about it, unless you live in the US and watch more than Fox news.
Comment by Miss Faith
Like I said though, maybe she didn't mind...but who's to say she did or didn't except the fly on the wall. Wow...even Fox news hasn't made that leap yet....I'd better give O'reilly a call!
Comment by Ahmed
Video Gamer Kids
Little Green Foosballs
PolyKicks
Cinema Three
Mind you I don't intent on marrying a non-muslim woman, though at the same time I'd rather I'm not accused of being narrow minded for having a preference, I like having my preferences without being accused of terrorism.
Comment by Ahmed
Video Gamer Kids
Little Green Foosballs
PolyKicks
Cinema Three
Keith Is under an obligation to raise his children as muslims unless he wants to face judgement for not doing so. That simple really. I was surprised when I found out his wife was a practicing catholic, just an interesting thing, but she does defend Keith quite a bit, especially with the whole 'OMG THE BASTARD SMOKES CIGGARETTES!' where she mentioned he has been in a battle to quit and smokes about 3 cigarettes a day.
Your idea of giving kids a choice is interesting but flawed in that there is no such thing as 'all the good' of a religion, especially in Islam where the whole thing is one big fat package of goodness, trying to break it up you'll end up with wierdo's who take things to one extreme or another.
I could change my name to friggin Andy and as far as religion goes I wouldn't be doing anything wrong, but damn well I like my name, it is after all my name. If I were running for public office I might change it, it could be something for me to use.
As for your little stint with a syrian family, why judge a religion of over 1 bilion based on one small group of people?
Actually I am about as radical as a muslim gets, no really, I am, I believe in everything about Islam and I follow it down to the minutest of details. You don't get more extreme than me when it comes to muslims.
Comment by Francis
Passionate Apathy
Umm, that has already happened, it has been happening for quite some time actually goes way back, a few hundred years, a few thousand years in fact, back to the crusades
Although since almost all Western (as well as Eastern, Northern, Southern, Pellicidaran, etc.) societies also have laws against killing, can yoube sure they were actually Westerners?
As long as we're still settling old grudges I am still very ticked off by several incidents during the Cambrian Dying.
Because they have better things to do, like you yourself, what do you want?
So they have time to complain about cartoons and fictional TV shows... but they're too busy to say word one against THE ONE MAN doing more to link Islam with terrorism than everyone else combined. With priorities like that I'm under no obligation to believe that they're all that upset about the sterotype of radical Muslim as terrorist.
Simple law in Islam, anyone who disturbs peace between any group of people (including between Muslims and non-muslims) where peace exists is breaking one of the fundamental laws of Islam and hence is actually committing what christianity would call a 'deadly sin', the punishment for disturbing the peace is in fact execution in Islam.
So if one needs to follow every commandment of a given faith to be considered a member, then in fact only a very tiny fraction of the world's population could be considered Muslim, Jewish, Christian, Trekkie, etc.
Just for clarification, how do you list someone who identifies with a given faith but doesn't practice each and every law related to it?
You misspelled "assume." I can in fact dislike the fact that extremist Muslim fanatics want to kill me because of where I was born, and recognize that Faux News is extreme right-wing propoganda, and chew gum at the same time... and I'm all out of chewing gum.
Miss Faith:
I would certainly stand up for any Muslims who are being threatened merely for being Muslim, but I don't see how some terrorists on a fictional show are a threat- especially since I'm told that a Muslim on the show is working with the hero against the terrorists.
The fact is people will notice what the mainstream Muslim community takes the time and effort to complain about, and what they don't... and draw conclusions accordingly.
Comment by Ahmed
Video Gamer Kids
Little Green Foosballs
PolyKicks
Cinema Three
If you read my statement carefully (which you won't) I specifically stated how that one aspect is in fact a deadly sin, like murder or adultery in Islam comitting an act like that will take away your right to call yourself a Muslim.
I could get drunk on a saturday night but that wouldn't automatically make me a sinner bound to eternity in hell, though it isn't allowed in Islam to drink alcohol. We can make sins, heck, we can even not follow certain laws in Islam if we don't feel like it (though that isn't recommended), provided those laws don't form the foundation of the religion. Naturally you don't know much about Islam which is why you think we all sympathise with Bin Laden and think America sucks.
Then along comes a muslim convert, you can barely tell he's muslim, ironic eh? He claims he's very patriotic to America. Now we have people running for cover, of course, god forbid a 'moslem' be anything but a terrorist.
The muslim community does take the time to 'complain' about being villified against because muslims, like all people do not like being constantly shown as bad people.
Comment by Ahmed
Video Gamer Kids
Little Green Foosballs
PolyKicks
Cinema Three
You have NO idea how bad that sounds.
Once again I reiterate, why the hell should Muslims get up and protest against Bin Laden? Why don't none muslims do it? it's all the same isn't it?
You seem to think just because Muslims don't collectively go out and hold banners makes them all very bad people becasue they obviously agree with the terrorists.
Muslims go out and hold banners for the same reasons none muslims do, to fight for their rights. If there was a violation of my rights happening I'd go wtih the protest, Bin Laden isn't forcing a national ID card into my wallet, nor is he lying to me about WMD's in random countries or taking my money and spending it on outdated military technology or any for that matter.
You know, really, truly, the people who have taken away my rights and yours isn't Bin Laden, the people making Islam out to be a bad religion are not terrorists, it is plain and simple, it all comes down to the government, the way they suppress our rights, start wars, all of it, Bin Laden didn't do any of it. Suck it up, thats a fact and you know it. Were being led around like suckers, being told to fear a virtually none existant enemy via random TV shows.
I'll sooner protest against George Bush than Bin Laden, what did he do to me? Not much compared to George Bush.
You see thats the thing with americans and their freedom, they have it all wrong, while they protest a man to have the right to dance around naked as mahatma ghandi they completely ignore the fact people are being censored from writing articles in the New York Times.
Anyway, this has gone way off, my bad for letting it.
If you have any problems with muslims it better not have anything to do with 'us' not protesting against Bin Laden every week or about comic strips mocking us.
The funny thing is that all I'm asking for is you to look at it from my perspective, look at my first post here, you'll see just as well.
You know what really makes me angry with your little viewpoint francis? The fact you are asking me to prove myself in front of you. I don't need to prove myself to anyone, in fact, you need to prove to me that you are not simply trying to censor me. I never did anything to you did I? But you seem to insist that I have to prove to you that I am not a terrorist sympathiser and the only way it seems like you will be convinced of the fact is if I go out and organize a protest. I'm sorry, but that doesn't cut it.
I don't have to prove myself to you or anyone, pretty much everyone who knows me knows who I am, and they know I don't sympathise with terrorists, they happen to not be dumb enough to think just because I don't go out protesting terrorism it makes me a terrorist sympathiser.
heck, have you ever participated in an anti-bin laden protest? no? Well you are a terrorist in my books. That felt good to you? Because it sure didn't feel good to me accusing you baselessly like that.
So look at it from my perspective for a change.
Comment by Miss Faith
I know what it’s like to follow a religion that is constantly beat down. In America, most Christians don’t like Paganism and think it has to do with Satan. It’s a constant battle, but I ignore it and blog about stupid things that rub me the wrong way on here….a good way to vent.
As for Americans holding protests against Osama…well that wouldn’t be allowed. Why not? Because the Muslim groups would say that it would insight hate back onto them because we apparently have a lot of really stupid white people here and not too many sane ones. The ACLU and civil rights attorneys would be all over any protest like that…unless it was being led my Muslim groups. It’s a very fine line here as to what you can say or do at times since someone always gets their feelings hurt and fires back with a lawsuit.
As for the info about Mr. Ellison, that was fascinating. I figured his wife is probably Catholic (since there are a lot in the US). I did not know Mr. Ellison was basically obligated to raise his children as Muslims. So does that mean that even if his wife didn’t agree, he would still have to do it? And would he have been judged by the Muslim community or do you mean “final judgment”? I’ve never heard that much about how the beliefs and regulations work as far as a couple having children and only one of the parents is Muslim, so I’m kind of curious. I think this kind of banter back and forth where everyone can see it may help us all to understand things a little better, you know?
So I mean no disrespect by anything. My whole beef from the get go has been about the extremes of boycotting and lawsuits over many many things here.
Comment by Francis
Passionate Apathy
You dislike the vilification of Muslims, but have no problem with bin Laden actively causing said vilification?
If you follow the news carefully (and there isn't enough gold in all the galaxies of the universe to pay me enough to care whether you do or not), you will note that bin Laden is still calling himself Muslim, is claiming to speak on your behalf and has a number of extremists who call themselves Muslim and who claim bin Laden speaks for Muslims everywhere.
Again, focusing on the NEWS, we see radical Muslims (or, at least, folks calling themselves that) pledging allegience to bin Laden, and NO MODERATE VOICES OF ANY KIND disagreeing. EVER.
Bullshit.
I'm not claiming to be any expert on anyone's religion, but from the body count and lack of RPG fire in our cities I know that most Muslims are quiet, peacable folks who simply want to live their own lives without destroying others.
I AM intensely curious why Muslims apparently have no problem with bin Laden preaching hatred and genocide in Allah's name. If you don't feel his attempts to start a holy war is your problem, okay. Question answered.
"Against stupidity, the Gods themselves contend in vain."
Of course, They would have to, since Their followers don't.
And just for some perspective, I really don't care if a legislator is sworn in on the Koran, on Newton's Principia, on the latest issue of Green Lantern... whatever book is sacred to him, that makes the oath of office mean something to him works for me.
You have NO idea how bad that sounds.
If you read Miss Faith's post carefully (which you won't), you would have picked up on the fact that here in America people are going batshit insane, filing lawsuits and protesting against the slightest thing- and completely ignoring the Big Picture.
Using the Theory of Limits, divide the number of times bin Laden has claimed to speak for Muslims by the number of times he's claimed to speak on behalf of non-Muslims. I realize full well that you may not consider him a Muslim, but a largish number of people (Both Muslim and none) do.
Certainly if someone was misrepresenting me or any group I identify with like that I'd raise unholy hell about it.
Bullshit.
Again, I was curious: The Muslim community has a coniption fit over some cartoons, but when nutjobs take to the streets yelling "Kill virtually everyone in the name of Allah!" it's no big deal. Curiousity is a large part of the foundation of my belief system.
Bin Laden has taken away the right to life of thousands of people.
And you're wrong: The terrorists are the ones making Islam out to be a bad religion. Really, truly and every chance they get.
Bin Laden didn't have anything to do with the 9/11 attacks? Has anyone told him, because he seems to think otherwise.
Imagine a world where both Bush and bin Laden are dangerous assholes. Just imagine that for a second or two, and you might get a handle on how I feel about this.
Well, aside from the fact that I simply don't have the hacker skills to launch any viruses to take down any of your sites or posts, you have it wrong:
I am not asking you to demonstrate against bin Laden; I was asking why Muslims get so enraged by a cartoon, but seemingly have no problem with nutjobs claiming to speak for them demanding mass murder. I was asking for information, not actions.
Certainly I'll draw certain conclusions based on what people feel is important enough to protest- just as you will assume I'm a right-wingnut because I don't think the same as you.
If it doesn't feel so good, maybe you should try doing it less? You want to accuse me of believing Faux News, but I should care about your feelings??
Always end on a joke.
Comment by Ahmed
Video Gamer Kids
Little Green Foosballs
PolyKicks
Cinema Three
Yes someone did say that, however I have been called a pig and a terrorist (among other things) plenty of times by jews, christians, athiests and pretty much anyone else whop follows whatever belief, not once have I complained about it.
Now one nut case calls Jews pigs does that mean I call jews pigs? He in fact has no right to insult jews as I made mention, I don't need to justify his actions because his actions were in fact un-Islamic. Simple eh?
Once again, 'Americans' (by which I assume you mean none muslim americans) need to get their heads out of the sand and realize it wasnt muslims, I already made mention of the fact.
Leading protests against bin laden? Go ahead, don't assume things before it happens. Though it would be quite ridiculous to have a protesta gainst bin laden, even none muslim americans acknowledge it is more worthy of ones time to protest against George Bush at this point in time.
Yes, Kieth ellison is obliged to raise the kids muslim whatever his wife would think, this would probably be discussed before marriage to avoid what we call divorce after they have kids
@ Francis
Bin Laden did one thing to villify muslims, no more, the rest has fallen on the likes of Fox News and George Bush
Yeah sure, and I'm George Bush, surprised? yeah, I'm George Bush and I believe in the war on terror is justified no matter what. Hey, if you believe what bin laden says why not believe me?
Moderate muslims don't pledge allegance to bin laden, do you? Do you actively go out and say you hate bin ladens guts? What do you want from us? I don't support a war in any way, but at the same time I don't see the need to have to constantly remind people like you about it.
Bin Laden has taken away at most 4000 lives, you know automobiles kill 43,000 people a year? thats more than ten times what Bin Laden has killed. Cars are a bigger threat to people than terrorist attacks are by a loooong shot.
Anyway, terrorists don't do that much comparitvely speaking, but the media jumps on it and pushes it to enormous levels which ends up rubbing off badly on me.
Both George Bush and Bin Laden are dangerous to me, though as of writing George Bush is more of a danger to me than Bin Laden, you can't honestly say you disagree here.
Hacker skills? You want to take away my freedom of speach? How un-American of you.
I don't know why muslims get so enraged over a comic strip than a crazy man, look, I don't know, I myself was more enraged by that than whenever Bin laden shows on TV and spouts so random gibber gabber. I guess it's instinctive that I dislike that more, who knows?
Get back to me when I go on a mas murdering rampage.
No I don't think you are an extremist right wing at all, don't think I ever said that if I did I'm sorry I shouldn't have categorized you.
Well I assumed you did, sorry for that, just like you assume muslims all sympathise with Bin Laden.
Whats green and goes up and down? A pea in an elevator.
Comment by Damo
For the Sake of Argument
My Apologetics
A common tactic for someone who doesn't wish to engage the question is 'Shifting the Ground' as you have just attempted. I could fall for it and waist time listing my many qualifications and associates but we both know that you don't care. Such trivia only manages to feed fragile egos.
However you put out a rant and claim it to be innocence. Maybe your neighbor is stalking you, so report it to the police. Tell them that you what he is thinking and see if they don't laugh them selves silly. Yet to use this as an example of how all Muslims are devious is the most base form of prejudice. It is base because it is an appeal for simpathy and at the sametime a demand for action. Very similar to Hitler's early work and how Jews were devious and cunning.
I don't believe in collective guilt and that is probably where we will always differ.
Comment by Francis
Passionate Apathy
Thing is, that one thing bin Laden did did far more to link Islam with terrorism than everything Bush and Faux News has done since. Things are not equal, and some things are bigger and more effective than other things.
I was taught to view belief as a dangerous drug; like other drugs the detox program can be as painful as it is enlightening.
Information, answers, some sort of understanding why you feel fictional terrorists are more dangerous, or paint your faith in a worse light, than the real ones.
In short: "Reflection, surprise, terror... for the future." Kosh
Still, it would be a far better world if the terrorists did even less.
I never denied Bush is a dangerous moron. As far as relative danger goes, Bush doesn't care if he gets me killed. Bin Laden cares: he wants me to be killed.
In a perfect world we could teleport both their sorry asses to some lifeless planet for them to fight it out themselves. Unfortunately we're left with trying to make this world just a bit less imperfect every day.
You misread me: Even if I had the skills, I wasn't about to take down any of your sites or posts. I am looking for information; deleting potential sources would be counterproductive.
Instincts are biological; faiths are learned.
Don't sweat it; I got as close to an answer as one could expect.
Well I assumed you did, sorry for that, just like you assume muslims all sympathise with Bin Laden.
Again, I never said that: I did say that if all or even most Muslims were like that there would be daily warfare in every large city. I was simply curious why fictional terrorists draw complaints and the real ones do not. Like I said, I'm as close to understanding as I could expect.
What's green and rides the bus? A pea with exact change.
Comment by Ahmed
Video Gamer Kids
Little Green Foosballs
PolyKicks
Cinema Three
I guess I assume people have the intelligence to not believe what that man says, so he can say whatever he wants, but I do assume people take some sort of reality out of comics which will radically misrepresent me.
Either way I don't care what you think about me, you can choose to continually treat me as a threat and fear me every corner you walk past or you can relax and I'll invite you over for coffee and cake. It's up to you really, either way I will continue to believe what I have for so much of my life.
Comment by Nina
This trend certainly isn't new, and once something else comes along to grab the public's attention the focus will shift to that.
Comment by Ahmed
Video Gamer Kids
Little Green Foosballs
PolyKicks
Cinema Three
Comment by Miss Faith
And as for my rant, I never said it was “innocent”. I did state that I normally try to be peaceful and loving….and fairly tolerant of other religions. But I have had enough public complaining from the Muslim groups about everything under the sun. They seem to think that the US is their country and their country alone. As an American citizen whose family has been here for hundreds of years, I don’t like the fact that they are trying to take away MY rights to watch a show or anything else. Did you know that it’s getting to the point that if you are on an airplane here and a Muslim says anything off-colored or acts suspicious AT ALL (meaning saying how they hate Americans and everything else they can think, except actually saying “bomb”) people are starting to look the other way? You actually hope and pray that there is an Air Marshall on board so you don’t have to “get involved”. Do you know why? Because they complain and scream racial profiling, then hire an attorney and threaten to boycott the airline. Do you hear them doing this to Quantas or any non-US airline?
And apparently you have no idea how the “system” works in the US. If I were to call the police and tell them things I have seen and heard from my neighbor, he would probably be put on a watch list if not detained and questioned. He has done and said some very shady things, yet I turn the other cheek because I don’t want to get involved and pass judgment without 100% proof only to have him taken from his family. If I was being prejudice like you said, then he would be in custody right now, no matter how much actual proof I had. The authorities, especially in a city that has had at least 3 “terrorists” plotting to do damage to malls and bridges, don’t take things like that very lightly. And why would I call the police? I think I can handle one little Muslim man, not to mention I wouldn’t waste my time with the cops…I would go straight to the DHS (which does have an office downtown).
And as far as me being prejudice, um no…not in the least. Why? If you were an educated person you would realize that prejudice actually means that you “pre-judge” someone or something without evidence and form a judgment without direct experience. Really? I have no direct experience with Muslims? I was married to one that has a VERY close-nit family, for 6 years. And yes, I know judgments can be swayed by prejudice, based on the experience, but I have also had friends that are Muslim as well that I have no beef with because they never acted like they should be treated better than others nor complained about EVERYTHING. So do your research before being prejudice to me. Maybe you should take a long look in the mirror and ask yourself why you are being so prejudice to Americans, based on our opinions? And what will you pull out next? Am I xenophobic as well?
Comment by Francis
Passionate Apathy
I guess it's a matter of taste: I prefer to see them mocked in a comical manner, because when they're mocked and it's not even funny, it seems like a waste of effort.
Not that I trust him the way I would trust a traffic light, but his actions do support his stated desire for large numbers of people to die. As far as comics go... I guess in your position I would prefer my enemies to be the sort stupid enough to take comics seriously.
If I had ever thought of you as any threat, I wouldn't have tried to ask you for information.
Comment by Francis
Passionate Apathy
I guess it's a matter of taste: I prefer to see them mocked in a comical manner, because when they're mocked and it's not even funny, it seems like a waste of effort.
Not that I trust him the way I would trust a traffic light, but his actions do support his stated desire for large numbers of people to die. As far as comics go... I guess in your position I would prefer my enemies to be the sort stupid enough to take comics seriously.
If I had ever thought of you as any threat, I wouldn't have tried to ask you for information.