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February 23rd 2007 16:29
Have you heard enough? Well, they sit back and take a breath because I’m not done listing their outrageous demands yet. They also want all contact sports (football, basketball, etc) to be held only in same-sex groups. I’m not talking about the actual football team; I am referring to playing football or any other contact sport in gym or elsewhere during the school day. They even go as far as demanding that field trips be same-sex as well, “to encourage greater participation from Muslim pupils”. But wait…there’s more….
On top of all of this, they also want an Arabic language class, the Koran to be recited during music classes, prayer rooms with washing facilities, no dancing or drama activities for the Muslim students, students should be permitted to grow beards, and while in art class any Muslim student should not have to draw people because it is forbidden under some Islamic laws.
Quite a ballsy list of demands, don’t you think? Now before any of you go off half-cocked, I do understand that they want their children to be able to attend a public school and still follow their beliefs. Good for them. BUT they should not make demands to change everything to fit THEIR needs and only their needs. So sorry little Robert but even though you are Catholic, you will now be taught the Islamic way and you will have to abide by all religious rules they set forth into motion. Poor little pasty Catholic kid.
Supposedly they are not asking ALL schools to make these changes, just the ones with the Muslim majority. But where can they draw the line with what school to change and which one not to change? If the change is made in any public school then the children that are the minority in the other schools will eventually demand change as well. Let’s face it, there are approximately 400,000 Muslim students in the UK and 96% attend public schools. So how many schools could actually be considered NOT having a Muslim majority then?
Instead of demanding change take place in public schools that are not COMPLETELY Muslim, why don’t they form their own schools like they have here in the US? Most of the Muslim schools here are referred to as “Arabic” schools and that is where Muslims can send their children and feel comfortable knowing that they are adhering to Islamic laws while being educated.
I could only hope that this goes through in Britain so maybe they can begin pushing the notion over here in the US as well. I would like nothing more than to send my children to school and force them to learn the way Islamic law states they should learn. Shoot, maybe we could even convert to make them all happy! Isn’t that what they truly want in the end anyway?
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And I also think other Muslims need to stand up and start putting some of the nutty Muslims in their place...organizations or not. It's just like the wacko fundy Christians that make all Christians seem nuts.
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I had to reply to this, as I am a British Subject living in Canada now.
"Maybe it's time the Muslims went back to where they came from," to quote Enoch Powell MP in the 1960's.
I am sick and tired of being dictated to by minorites. Even Hitler wasn't as bad as the Muslims. It's time we all started to fight back and make our countries our own again, without bowing to special interests.
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That, vehicle driving riding, exercising and a few others is and should be part of the school curriculum as a matter of religion. Yeah, were not allowed to eat or drink during ramadhan for a certain amount of the day, no where does it say we can't swim. Swallowing water accidentally doesn't break your fast since your intent isn't to drink the pool water (at least I hope it isn't
I don't see a problem with letting people grow beards, Muslim or not, thats a fundamental human right, to grow your hair.
I can make more comments on this but meh, my best assumption is what they said was blown way out of proportion. Typical media bullshit.
youranter, no, 71% of people don't have anything against Muslims in the slightest 29% believe george bush is the cause of all the hate and wars in this world. You're the one who no one agrees with.
youranter's wife maybe you should rephrase 'even hitler wasn't as bad as the muslims', because last I checked Muslims weren't throwing idiots like you in ovens, heh, they were just putting up with you.
Your country is not your own, your country is mine, and his and hers and everyones, so I'm sorry if you think you're going to have to go to war with your fellow citizens to reclaim what is 'your own', quite frankly that kind of action leads you to have nothing.
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Obviously these requests/demands are aiming for adherence to the laws and values established in the Quran in the public education system, and as such would represent the "true" beliefs of all Muslims living by the book, however there are many Muslims who are able to compromise between their religious obligations, and those of Western society (the two of which clash starkly, in effect to live under a democracy is sacreligious according to the Quran), and as such I think it's promoting general anti-Muslim sentiments by referring these demands to the entire Muslim community.
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umm, no it isn't. It really isn't, could you give me the source? I'm very sure there is no specific form of government that Islam demands Muslims to live under (though it has recommendations). Also theres nothing sacreligious to live in a society that is not predominately Muslim lest you try to break peace between the Muslims and non-Muslims or the non-Muslims try to stop you from being a Muslim.
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Might be some nasty Muslims a-waitin' to get get GETCHA!
If you actually were going for credibility, some references might be nice.
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I decided to go the silly and irrelevant route and trolled the BBC for info on the story. Mostly the Muslim Council of Britain is asking to allow Islamic students sit out activities that conflict with their faith. The schools are concerned about how far they'll be expected to adapt to the various beliefs of all the students. Respect for faiths and traditions is one thing but singling out specific groups of students rarely ends well.
Adaptation, like most weapons, cannot be pointed in only one direction. While the schools can do more to adapt to various faiths, the students (and their families) can also recognize that the schools simply do not have the resources for an individual instructor and classroom for each student. Some compromise on both sides would be ideal.
Howeverm the ultimate decision is in the hands of politicians, so we can confidently expect a world class fuck-up.
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Hardly anyones fed up with Muslims, everyones fed up with people like you
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Oh dear, don't believe everything you see on TV/read in the paper.
There is no 'vocal minority', theres the vocal group who can't say anything without their words being exaggerated to the point it sounds completely different.
Like with yoru primary news source, Fox, which automatically assumed Barack Obama was raised a radical Muslim because his middle name is Hussein and he went to a public school partly funded by the saudi government (or not at all, I can't figure that part out exactly).
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"There is no 'vocal minority', theres the vocal group who can't say anything without their words being exaggerated to the point it sounds completely different." The 'vocal minority' is the group or groups who want to have things the same as they were in the country they fled to find freedom elsewhere.
"Like with yoru primary news source, Fox, which automatically assumed Barack Obama was raised a radical Muslim because his middle name is Hussein and he went to a public school partly funded by the saudi government (or not at all, I can't figure that part out exactly)." I never said that and I don't watch Fox News. We don't get it here. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Interesting that you don't want to argue the Hitler/Muslim point with me. What's the matter? Can't admit someone other than you is right?
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You want your freedom revoked, you go to a country where they don't let you practice your religion, where these people come from.
You want to live in a free country, then you have to learn to put up with this sort of thing, like I put up with you
They never claimed that all schools have to do this or that to the point it applied to all students, they asked for special consideration for Muslims pupils. If you don't let them ask it claiming it's the Muslims demanding everything then you should leave your country, because thats the way it works over there, you ask for something and most times if it is reasonable you get it.
They are reasonably asking some things and it is being exaggerated beyond reason. I'm not saying I suport what they are asking, but certainly they aren't asking for a complete ban on swimming lessons for everyone or blanket rulings on all pupils, not in the slightest. Of course the fear of that exists and idiots like you trumpet that up beyond meaning.
Hitler/Muslim point? You're such a narrow minded idiot, you think Muslims are like or worse than Hitler? Oh right, then you're not racist or prejudiced asshole either are you?
Well done, prove your stupidity out in the open, once again no one will care about your opinions. You do a good job of annihilating yourself as a proper human being who's opinion should be respected you know
I'm sorry you don't watch Fox News, it's for people like you, you should go try and get yourself hooked up to it.
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"they asked for special consideration for Muslims pupils" Where does that stop? Do we give special consideration to all the myriad religions who want it? Who pays for that? Seems to me, they weren't asking, they were demanding. We won't even go into the swimming issue.
"Hitler/Muslim point? You're such a narrow minded idiot, you think Muslims are like or worse than Hitler? Oh right, then you're not racist or prejudiced asshole either are you?" Still can't come up with anything better than to insult me. Boy, are you ever intelligent.
"Well done, prove your stupidity out in the open, once again no one will care about your opinions. You do a good job of annihilating yourself as a proper human being who's opinion should be respected you know
"I'm sorry you don't watch Fox News, it's for people like you, you should go try and get yourself hooked up to it." I've got better things to spend my money on. I'm sure you follow it and will keep me informed.
"Umm, let me give you a little bit of a lesson here." Sorry, I had better lessons from my kindergarten teacher when she told me it was nap time.
You always seem to have a knack for turning debate into a teeny-bopper chat room discussion. Too much time spent with your video gaming buddies?
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First and foremost, can you excerise your freedom of the enter key on your keyboard?
"Where does that stop? Do we give special consideration to all the myriad religions who want it? Who pays for that? Seems to me, they weren't asking, they were demanding. We won't even go into the swimming issue."
Yeah sure, every minority group should be catered to, thats how democracy is set up, thats why people in some electorates have a higher value for their vote htan others, because they exist in smaller electorates. It's called fairness.
Also might I remind you these smae Muslims are paying taxes? Hmm? No where are they asking for more money, they are asking for special considerations such as an exemption from swimming lessons during ramadhan (I don't agree with them for the reason as it doesn't justify not learning to swim but it is their right to ask).
"My stupidity? Who's getting apopletic about this? You need to take a pill. The world's laughing at you."
No my friend
"Even Hitler wasn't as bad as the Muslims"
The worlds laughing at you, and you know it. Such a small minority, even other conservatives are begging to disown your kind (Ron Paul is the latest example). If neo-cons broke off into their own little group it would be just that, little.
"Still can't come up with anything better than to insult me. Boy, are you ever intelligent."
What am I supposed to say 'oh yes sir, you're so right, Muslims are worse than hitler, were all mini hitlers, no, were all mega-hitlers, we want to run on a genocide and kill all non-Muslims'. Yep, I'd say that, but it isn't the truth, unlike you I don't lie or twist facts
"You always seem to have a knack for turning debate into a teeny-bopper chat room discussion. Too much time spent with your video gaming buddies?"
Not really, I don't play games anymore, unlike you I'm studying to be a games programmer (no really, I am
Anyway, I wouldn't underestimate those who play games, they really outnumber your kind who don't
Miss Faith, I have nothing against your beliefs besides my disagreement with it. You are free to practice it so long as you don't try to stop me from being a Muslim. All I ask for is understanding and thats what I give you already.
If you want to attack Muslims at every chance you get, even accidentally by jumping on the media bandwagon you'll lose me as an ally. As insignificant as that may sound in politics having friend who accepts you for who you are is better than jumping with the neo-cons simply because they happen to agree with you at that time of the day.
I am pretty much allied with everyone who is accepting of minority groups, I give some and take some in return, if you single me out you'll lose your standing with the group as a whole, theres no room to buckle and attack any one element of a group of minorities unless you want the group to disown you.
Just think about that before you go on and complain further about Muslims based on sensationalist news reports and jump to the arms of neo-cons and other misguided people to get your own little emotion of the day out.
you can see from youranter comparing Muslims to hitler is a gross over exaggeration and misguided to say the very least. Muslims simply are the scapegoats today, tomorrow he'll rant about how people like you should be drowned in rivers.
Make no mistake, those neo-cons ancestors drowned people for having the same set of beliefs as you, Muslims, or more accurately, tolerating people, never would do that.
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"if you single me out you'll lose your standing with the group as a whole, " That's threatening enough to make her run to placate you.
If you weren't so pathetic, you might actually be funny. But thanks for the lame attempt at comic relief.
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I'm not expecting anyone to make a change, I'm expecting people to be understanding. I went to a public highschool yet I still prayed on time, no one lost anything except the school which lost a single room for five minutes so I could use it during recess. Thats what I'm talking about, no more, no less.
Actually Christian, Jewish, Pagan and Wiccan students should learn a bit about Islam not being intolerant as you so claim
No, I won't keep my religion in a Mosque and at home, I carry it everywhere I go. Just because you're not as devout a Christian as I am a devout Muslim does not give you the right to suppress my religion. I pray five times a day wherever I am, I do my best to not impede on other peoples lives. I have yet to hear a complaint for praying in a public park, except from the likes of people like you, which is to say, not many.
Who said anything about forcing different standards? What they were asking was very simple, exemption under certain circumstances. For instance at my highschool I had that exemption that I could use a room for five minutes doing recess to pray, after which I'd leave it and go play table tennis with my friends. The girls could wear their hijab too, even though uniforms were obligatory (not a dress code, an actual uniform) they were given an exemption provided what they were wearing was conforming to the colours of the school uniform. Simple really, never heard a complaint from anyone.
At my university a few years ago the Muslim community got together and asked for a prayer room, the university not only complied but later they did something really generous, they built an entire Mosque. Only until recently have any complaints been made, the irony is theres a christian union, an alternative faiths union, even a gay rights union and none of them gave two bits, they all fully approved giving support for the plans. It was just one person, like you, who sought to disturb the peace so many years later. No one really cared, until people like you came along and caused a ruckus, nobody cares now either, but you get the point
@youranter, have fun in your friends circle of 2, you know as well as me you wouldn't come to Miss Faiths support if there was intolerance against her, I actually have a history of supporting her rights to practice freely, she has everything to lose in me and nothing to gain from you except of course a piggy backer who wanted to just get plus one attack on Muslims. Nice.
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by William Haynes
I used to know a man whose family was German aristocracy
prior to World War Two. They owned a number of large
industries and estates. I asked him how many German people
were true Nazis, and the answer he gave has stuck with me
and guided my attitude toward fanaticism ever since.
"Very few people were true Nazis "he said," but many enjoyed
the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to
care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a
bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it
all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we
had lost control, and the end of the world had come. My
family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp
and the Allies destroyed my factories."
We are told again and again by "experts" and "talking heads"
that Islam is the religion of peace, and that the vast
majority of Muslims just want to live in peace.
Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is
entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make
us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the specter of
fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam.
The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history.
It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage
any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics
who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups
throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire
continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb,
behead, murder, or honor kill. It is the fanatics who take
over mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who zealously
spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and
homosexuals. The hard quantifiable fact is that the
"peaceful majority" is the "silent majority" and it is cowed
and extraneous.
Communist Russia comprised Russians who just wanted to live
in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for
the murder of about 20 million people. The peaceful
majority were irrelevant. China's huge population was
peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a
staggering 70 million people.
The average Japanese individual prior to World War 2 was not
a warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered
its way across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that
included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese
civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet. And,
who can forget Rwanda, which collapsed into butchery. Could
it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were "peace loving"?
History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet
for all our powers of reason we often miss the most basic
and uncomplicated of points:
Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence.
Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't
speak up, because like my friend from Germany , they will
awake one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the
end of their world will have begun.
Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans,
Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians,
Algerians, and many others have died because the peaceful
majority did not speak up until it was too late.
As for us who watch it all unfold; we must pay attention to
the only group that counts; the fanatics who threaten our way of life.
Lastly, I wish to add: I sincerely think that anyone who
rejects this as just another political rant, or doubts the
seriousness of this issue or just deletes it without paying
heed to it, or sending it on, is part of the problem.
William Haynes
Comment by Francis
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There could be a financial dimension here: If students are exempting themselves from various classes, who would supervise them while the teacher is supervising the regular class? I'm not sure about the British system but in the U.S. the schools aren't allowed to leave students under 18 unsupervised for a whole class period.
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Heck, if anything, what William Haynes proves is that Nazi's claimed they were peace loving when they spread hate against Jews, now we have people like youranter and Bradish who are neo-cons spreading hate against Muslims while simultaneously claiming to be peace loving and tolerant.
Remember, the Nazi's were the political party, the Jews were the religious group being vilified. Who's the political party today and who's the religious group being vilified today?
If anything, William Hayes proves to us yet again that the true danger is in politics, not religion.
If it's one thing history teaches us it's that people will always go out of their way to misinterpret what history teaches, which is why history repeats.
It's funny, really I don't see how Hayes can possibly be against Muslims when what he is describing is an equal and opposite of the reality of the matter of what is happening today. Muslims aren't the peace loving people who via inaction are being overcome by their radical counterparts. It's conservatives who are sitting back and watching as neo-cons take over their parties and feel the pride, remember Muslims don't feel pride on behalf of Osama Bin Laden, but conservatives do on behalf of George Bush, so in this way neo-cons are the metaphorical Nazi's of this day and age, not Muslims. Also like I mentioned, Nazi's are not a religious group, they are a political party, remember back in the hey day of Hitler it was the political party being over taken by fanaticism and as such attacking the religious group, not the religious group being overcome with fanaticism attacking the political party or anyone else for that matter.
Check mate eh?
oh I love his conclusion
Lastly, I wish to add: I sincerely think that anyone who
rejects this as just another political rant, or doubts the
seriousness of this issue or just deletes it without paying
heed to it, or sending it on, is part of the problem.
Heres mine:
I sincerely wish people didn't vilify Muslims or try to twist history to suit their own agendas. Clearly it is this sort of twisted thinking that while giving great incite takes away a very important lesson through distortion of facts to meet a political end.
@Franics, thats true, but like all things democratic compromise might be a necessity. I doubt it would be that big of a deal or even use any extra resources, just see how it goes along the way...
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If anything, William Hayes proves to us yet again that the true danger is in politics, not religion.
History teaches us that the assholes will twist politics and religion to justify their atrocities. Ever since I stopped using drugs way back when it's been harder and harder to distinguish politics from religion. That's why even when I'm inclined to believe that gods exist, I don;t worship or even respect the bastards.
It's BOTH. Every society, every group or club or forum has their intolerant, hateful fringe who will always agitate towards more violence and death instead of more understanding and cooperation. EVERY civilization carries the seeds of its own degradation and destruction by the out-of-control zealots.
"Oh, but my side could never harbor such bad, evil, not-especially-polite sorts!" It's human nature to think one's own group is somehow more evolved, less susceptible to the pernicious hatred and rage. This is why the zealots are successful so often.
Compromise is usually the best way to solve problems... if we can get past those who would prefer problems to be inflamed rather than solved.
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Godwin's Law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies) is a mainstay of Internet culture, an adage formulated by Mike Godwin in 1990. The law states: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.
There is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically "lost" whatever debate was in progress.
And also, does anybody notice
Political power of Nazis - They were elected, then Hitler progressed to dictator
Political power of Muslims - In Australia Amwerica and England? Not a whole lot.
Political power of communists - Major, controlled nations and abused their own system.
Quake in your boots, morons.
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And Brenton: ever hear of Google? It is your friend and even a monkey can find articles by “googling” them. Don’t like Google? There are several other to try…Ask, Yahoo, Dogpile, etc…you may want to give it a try sometime and enlighten yourself as well as broaden your aspects of the world around you.
As for who is making the demands, I stated in the first paragraph that it was the Muslim Council of Britain. Believe it or not, it was reported that they issued a 72 page document full of Muslim-friendly ideas for the schools. Yes, 72 pages….not 2 or 3 BUT 72. I call them demands because the Muslim councils do normally demand things instead of playing nicely. I read from another source that it was a demand by them and they wanted some of the 72 pages to be integrated eventually.
As for the idea of banning swimming, it was only during the month of Ramadan. Here is the quote from the article: “The MCB claims Muslim pupils may consider it too risky to swim during Ramadan as 'the potential for swallowing water is very high' and they may break their fast. It suggests that schools with a significant number of Muslim pupils should try to avoid scheduling swimming lessons during Ramadan to 'remove unnecessary barriers to full participation'.
And Ahmed, not to pee in your Cheerios but there are a lot of people in this world that do not like Muslims. Just like certain people don’t like blacks or Asians or Mexicans…or how about Americans???? As for your percentages, most surveys are completely biased and focus on one group….such as the far leaning “left”. Yes, the liberals that think everyone should have everything their way and we can all be happy….WRONG. That could never happen in a properly functioning society. And since you hate Fox news, I know the info didn’t come from them…so I’m going to say it was calculated from asking a group of lefties. Here is the US the rates, which I can’t recall off hand, have actually shown that people (here at least) are not very tolerant of Muslims in general and feel they need to integrate into society instead of making demands and changing the countries they move to. And before you suggest that I like to side with the right wing wackos and Fox news, I really can’t stand Fox too much…especially Bill O’Reilly and his thoughts on siding with Mr. Donahue on the Catholic/John Edwards controversy, solely because Bill is Catholic too. But that’s neither here nor there and I was using it to make a point. Also, you talk about people vilifying Muslims, yet you constantly vilify President Bush. No matter how much I don’t agree with him or his “people”, at least he has done “something” to fight back against terrorism and the terrorists that hate America and want to kill Americans. Just as we don’t know what it’s like to be a “real” Muslim, you don’t know what it’s like to be the President of the US during a time of crisis.
And I agree with Bradish. Religion is supposed to be a private practice, not forced on others. The Muslims or anyone else for that matter need to realize that they should not force their beliefs on ANYONE. And if you move to another country, maybe you should try integrating yourself into the society instead of making the society something you want it to be. It wasn’t yours to begin with and it’s not yours to change. They want to live in other countries that are free but don’t want to live the way the people in these countries live. Keep your religion, but keep it to yourself and stop force-feeding others in society. Jehovah’s Witness students here in the US normally “opt out” of certain school functions and don’t raise hell over it. Pagans don’t complain, asking for alters or meditation rooms or to have certain days of the year sacred. Instead they do it outside of school an in the privacy of a coven or their own homes…what a novel idea huh?
And by the way, anyone else have anything to say about my credibility? This is my blog and I only blog on things that I know to be truth and found in a credible media source…not Fox news or any other left or right wing affiliated network. If you have question, please refer to the link for the PDF of the actual 72 page report written by the Council and what they expect to have changed. It’s amazing what 5 seconds of web searching can find huh?
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We approve of other people co-existing with us in multi-cultural societies and definitely appreciate that the majority group in that society accepts us.
However, we are part of that society as much as a witch or Christian is, and we have a right to make requests for ourselves, yes, we even have a right to demand five million dollars if we so wished.
Now if you jump on the media bandwagon and begin continually attacking Muslims for every little bit of thing they do, even if they ask for something (which they are entitled to believe it or not) you seem to sensationalize it and put it on your precious little blog and then claim innocence when facts hit you hard and you make it sound like you are somehow entitled to your opinion but others aren't.
Oh don't give me that look, you don't think Muslims are entitled to the opinion of having certain TV shows banned or special exemptions made for them. Well so long as were thinking like that no one is entitled to anything, not even entitled to ask for anything.
So long as were going off your line of thinking that we all have to integrate then it is quite clear all we can integrate into is Roman Catholicism, that is what this society's majority is, isn't it?
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As for my credibility, it has not been compromised since I can give you links to anything you wish, as for you on the other hand, well, where are the supporting links or facts for the survey information you keep giving? And as for integrating into my society, I have; thank you very much. I don’t try to get others in my society to change things to suit my beliefs and needs. I was born in the US and live in the US….I wasn’t born in Iraq and moved to the US in hopes of getting the society there to bend to MY religious needs. The US has many freedoms, one of which is Religion. That does not mean that we have to integrate every single religion into the way our society functions. Keep your religion to yourself and do it in private or among other believers…it’s that simple. The US does not have rules set where you have to do what a Catholic believes or a Jew. Ever heard of the separation of Church and State? This is why we, as a society, in the US would never allow Muslims or any other religion asks for such drastic changes to suit only ONE need, especially a religious need. And based on your response about becoming a Catholic, you obviously have no idea what takes place religiously here in the states. Believe it or not, there are not a bunch of Catholics running around dragging you into confession every Sunday.
And as for the Wiccan gathering ground and the council’s approval….you live in Australia? What is the history of Australia again? Oh wait, maybe it was founded by Muslims….silly me. Who was there first? Muslims or Pagans? I’m going to go with Pagans since the last time I checked, Arabs were not the founders of Australia. If I remember correctly it was actually a Brit by the name of Captain James Cook. Now I can’t prove Mr. Cook was a Pagan, but Pagan roots grew from the area of Britain and through various other areas of Europe. And besides, how many Wiccan or Pagan “gatherings” are there in Australia compared to mosques? I’m sure the mosques outnumber the Pagans by far. Also, as of this month, the religious statistics for Australia shows that a majority of people are Catholic, Anglican, or other Christian….Muslims only make up 1.5% of the population. So maybe you should convert to Catholicism and go to confession on Sundays from now on since you supposedly know how to integrate into your own society so well. Here’s the source for you if you need it by the way:
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And as for shariah law, maybe you need to take a closer look at your own religion and shariah law as well. I have pointed out in the past the various different “sectors” of each religion. Just because you think shariah law says one thing, doesn’t mean it is the same across the board. That would be like me saying that I can speak for all Pagans around the world on everything because I know so much of the religion. I don’t know every aspect of any religion, even after studying many over the past 10 years.
As far as you ranting and not only giving your opinion, but trying to force feed everyone the fact that you apparently speak for ALL Muslims and know what is in their hearts, then do continue. I read all comments and welcome all opinions….just keep it that way and try to not act like you are the end all on Muslim beliefs. And as for blogging about Muslims complaining about TV shows and various other things, yes….I think they entitled to an opinion…they are not entitled to change society to fit them and only them. They can try that in other countries but not here, thank Goddess. And if you re-read my post about the school situation I added at he end that I could only hope that they go through with this in Britain and then try it again in the US…completely sarcastic of course. Hey, if some other country wants to let you (since you speak for all Muslims) walk all over everyone else and make society their own, then go right ahead! Don’t expect it to happen in the US though.
And one more thing….ever notice that I get the most response (both good but mostly bad) when I post ANYTHING about Muslims? I give my opinion about ALL religions…even people of my religion. So why it is that everyone gets their panties in a bunch when I say anything bad about Muslims? Give me a break and stop acting like a Muslim’s crap doesn’t stink.
And now I have more important things to attend to, such as my children and husband and my college homework. Yes, I am an educated woman, not some stay at home mom that likes to watch oprah and eat bon-bons, while only possessing a 6th grade education. Imagine that!
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So you call suggestions demands because you find The Muslim Groups to be too demanding, in a more general sense.
Thank you for your time.
Goodnight.
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And why is it nobody wants to tackle my last point from my previous comment? You know, the one where I asked why everyone gets their panties in a bunch ANYTIME I write anything negative about Muslims? I will point out once again that I write about ALL religions and point out the good and the bad, and have even done so with people in the Pagan community. So again I ask why I don't get this backlash over blogging about the Pope or some wacko "Pagan" high priestess but with one mention of a Muslim all hell breaks loose?
I find that rather odd, don't you? And like I said before, I'm tired of Muslims acting like their crap doesn't stink. The funny thing is that it's not just my blog that is seeing this as a problem. The entire world is witness to this when anyone, anywhere, says anything bad about Islam or Mohamed....heaven forbid. Why not ask our fellow blogger in Egypt...oh wait, you can't since he was thrown in jail for what he said about the religion. Peaceful my butt.
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They all need to get past the point of thinking their religion is the best and should be revered by all. Instead, they should practice their own beliefs in private or at a mutual meeting area and leave their personal beliefs to themselves. For some reason people seem to think I attack Muslims and only Muslims….which couldn’t be further from the truth. I don’t like any religious “group” that tries to push their beliefs on non-believers (evangelicals, certain Muslims, door-knocking Christians, etc).
Believe it or not, but in Paganism there is no evangelizing. We share information to those that want to know more, not force feed them whether they want it or not. Isn’t that a novel idea? And honestly, if I ever heard of an “evangelical” Pagan I would probably go off on them too….or even ones that are trying to change “the system” to only suit their needs religiously.
I guess it’s just hard for some people to think outside of the box and get out of the religious tunnel they are stuck in. Yet another case of their crap not stinking. There must be a lot of people on this planet with stink-free dung….WOW!
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I laughed out loud when I read that.
Isn't intelligent design taught over evolution in many areas of the US to appease the Christians?
And isn't abstinence still preached in your sex ed classes?
America most definately does not have seperation of church and state. I am from Australia (which is bad enough when it comes to seperating the church and state) but was astounded when I visited the US.
The first night I arrived the news anchor was praying for George Bush on live television (so much for objectivity - and no it was not fox news).
Your president openly admits his Christian motivations and claims God is on his side in regards to the "war on terror".
If there is a seperation of church and state why does the President pray in his public addresses?
I understand you attack all religions in your posts, but to make huge generalisations about Muslims due to the actions of a few is typical of the xenephobia of these times.
You also commented in a post that when a person comes from a different country they do not have the right to make demands but should assimilate into that culture. Well according to that logic you should be living like the American Indians did.
Thanks Ahmed and Brenton for your refeshing insight.
And I'm sure Miss faith will give me a link to some clever aticle to back up her point of view but remember there are facts, figures, and newspaper articles to support every argument.
I went to a school were 70 per cent of the students were born in a country other than Australia (manyof them muslim) and and grateful for it. There is so much misunderstanding when it comes to the cultural 'other'. My school has now stopped Christmas and easter celebrations at school, to accomodate the students who are not Christian. I think this is a great idea.
And no I am not a Muslim, I was brought up a Christian but am an agnostic.
Before you condemn the Musim's requests for schools, take a look at the religious influences that already contribute to US education system.
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I laughed out loud when I read that.
Isn't intelligent design taught over evolution in many areas of the US to appease the Christians?
All praise the Flying Spaghetti Monster!!
"Allfather Odin, you had the foresight to sacrifice one eye in exchange for Wisdom... please help our President find a clue."
I disagree- why teach the kiddies to pass up a perfectly legitimate excuse to party??? Why would the gods design a planet with an axial tilt if they didn't want us to enjoy the various Solstice celebrations?
Instead of dropping Xmas and Candy Egg Day, why not add everyone else's celebrations to the mix?
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What a wonderful idea. Get rid of Christmas and all other holidays for some thin skins who might be offended! And that news show you mentioned, sure it wasn't The 700 Club?
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As far as the news anchor praying for “W” on the air…..was it the 700 Club that you flipped to? Seriously, I have never seen an “actual” news anchor pray on the air for anyone, except on the 700 Club (which tries to make themselves appear to be a legitimate news channel).
As for the President and his openness on Christianity, that is his opinion as well as a huge opinion of the far right wackos. It is not my fault that a lot of republicans lean so far to the right and allow their judgments to be clouded by religion. Trust me when I say that he is constantly hammered for his faith based initiatives. And for him praying publicly whether it be in an address or not, they allow him to do this since at least ½ of the country that elected him are religious and don’t care if he does or not. I don’t think it hu