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Christians -VS- Pagans Round 200,000

December 7th 2006 21:21

Here we go yet again, another problem in a public school where it is the Christian righteous versus the Pagan heathen. According to an article in a Charlottesville Virginia news line, a group of Christian students had tried to pass out flyers at Hollymead Elementary School a while back that had to do with vacation bible school. They were trying to use the “backpack mail” process where the kids take info back home to the parents. But because the school had rules in place forbidding it, they were not allowed to do so. UNTIL a father of one of the children contacted Jerry Falwell to go after the county. At that point, the school board reversed their decision and allowed the distribution of the flyers, and deemed it okay for all religious groups to do the same.


So now enter the Pagans. A local Unitarian-Universalist church decided to go the same route for this holiday season and pass out flyers for a local celebration. You can already see where this is heading, right? More or less parents and local Christian church pastors tried their best to “play nice” and then of course add their derogatory thoughts and comments into the mix. A local Christian woman named Cathy posted some comments on her blog. This is what she had to say about the invite:

“The sender(s) of this information call it an "educational program for childeren [sic] of all ages." Well, this "educational program" is to be followed by a pagan ritual. That's an educational experience my children don't need.

Perhaps they thought including a cross and a Star of David would make their pentagram seem acceptable. It isn't. It only shows they don't know what "holidays" are being celebrated this month.
I don't know -- yet -- what to do or who to talk to but I will not step aside.”


I have an idea what she can do about it. How about stop complaining about it for one? I would like to thank her for promoting the upcoming event on her blog site by writing about it though, even though it is in the negative. But seriously, when are Christians going to start playing nicer with the rest of the world? Yes, Christianity is one of the biggest religions in the US but in the rest of the world it is not. They need to get off their high horse and just calm down. I know, I know…there are also wackos and the outspoken in the Pagan community as well. It just seems there are more in the Christian following than the Pagan following.

So let’s look at another example of a response to the flier. This is what Pastor Jeff Riddle of a local church said on his blog. Does everyone on the planet have a blog now or what???

“This kind of note adds weight to the argument that it is high time for Christians to leave public schools for reasonable alternatives (homeschooling and private Christian schools).”

And

“note the zeal of pagans to "take back" Christmas.”


He also went as far as warning Christians against pushing the act of returning prayer to school. He said if this happened then there was no assurance that it would be a Christian leading the prayer. It could be *gasp* a Pagan! Oh what ever! I’m starting to reach my limit with all of the Christian fundies waging war against everyone but their own.

Here’s an example of why I’m starting to really dislike the Christian fundies: Isn’t it ironic that some Christians look down upon Muslims, when some Muslims have been known to make comments such as everyone in the world needs to convert or be damned or slain? Sounds ironic to me. I know that was an extreme example but Christian evangelicals are notorious for trying to convert people at any cost. It’s sad that even around the holiday season they can’t stand to show any love, peace, or acceptance to anyone but their own kind of “people”. It’s a never ending battle, and even after all of the work that has been done lately to bring everyone together, I still can’t see an end in sight. I have posted the link to the flyer below. Please take a look at it and notice that it does state “Come for one OR both parts and bring your curiosity”. So it’s not like they were trying to fool anyone into coming for the entire celebration, especially since they stated that the ritual would FOLLOW. And if anyone lives in this area, please give your support and try to attend!

Pagan Flyer

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Comment by Anonymous

December 30th 2007 21:55
wow this certainly is an interesting site I stumbled upon. For the record, I am a "FUNDI" BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN AND I will not apologize for it. Second, I don't shove my beliefs at anyone or down anyones throat. I simply do as Jesus did and I love people, whether it is Christmas or not. I know plenty of other "fundi's" who do the same. We are called to love, not hate, but we are speaking the truth in love to those who seek God, the only God, the One True God. As for the people who would rather point fingers and name call, I am sorry that they give us all a bad name. We are called to love our neighbors as our selves, period. I don't look down on anyone, I pray for the lost who don't know JESUS, and who don't understand that this is not the end, there is a Heaven and a hell and where you spend eternity is the most important issue. If loving people is a crime then I guess me and my "fundi's" are guilty as charged.

Comment by Luna Mondlicht

July 11th 2008 21:50
I have a reply to the anonymous comment from December 30th 2007. Isn't it ironic how you state you don't shove your religion in peoples' faces and then go on an almighty rant about how your god is the only god there is and how your religion's right and everybody elses is wrong, and how you make it sound like you know by fact that what you think is the only answer to anything, that nobody but Christians could possibly be correct? You have every right to believe in what you wish to believe in, just as we Pagans do, and we deserve the same respect that we show you, by not having our people go door to door trying to sell our religion to people, degrading the religion itself. Christians should stop trying to make people convert at all costs and should just leave all the other religion-based people alone and in peace. We don't want your religion, we have our own, thanks.
An' it harm none, blessed be.

Comment by Anonymous

July 14th 2008 12:53
That since the beginning...when man began to believe in something "other" than himself, that there has been a conflict. There is NO one god, if you do your homework...you'll see that while religions were forming, all over the world the deity's were called by seperate names. Depending upon what place in the world you lived, that was by what name you called "god." It matters not one wit to me what you choose to call your god...It seems to me that Christianity preaches tolerance, love and patience. However, most of the acolytes of the Christian faith, are hard pressed to behave in the mannar in which Jesus taught them. Jesus was a magician, a healer and waaayyyyy before his time. I would have loved to meet him and learn from him. Was he the son of god? In the fact that we all carry a spark of the divine within us...absolutely! But from the standpoint of him being the ONLY Son of God...Sorry, can't buy that story. And after all, isn't what you've been taught, all a story...comes from a book, written by man, subject to interpretation, and the rest...well, that's been told to you since you were a child. I know about the rehetoric and dogma of Christianity...I was raised Catholic!!! I don't come from a place of ignorance...I have done my due diligence. I dare any Christian to actually learn about the history of their religion...to trace back in time to the Crusades, the TRUE story of how Christianity came to be...not some glossed over BS story that the Christians themselves wrote, but unbiased, and uncensored..then come and speak to me with a modicum of knowledge about that which you speak of. Christianity was a thousand years in the coming...It was long, it was bloody and anyone who didn't want to become a christian, was mowed down, literally tortured, burned at the stake, drowned or imprisioned for the rest of their lives. The atrocities that the Christians carried out over those thousand years were unspeakable. I do not try to save anyone but myself, each of us is on our own path to enlightenment. Each of us must take responsibility for our actions and our deeds. No devil can "make me do", what I refuse to do. We do not believe in the devil, as prior to Christianity, there was NO SUCH ENTITY!!! He's your monster, you deal with him. I can go on and on, about how misinformed you really are, however, it will do no good. The point is...there is no need to worry and pray for the pagans...we recognize a higher power, we believe in the divine...just as you do...We will be just as saved as you will. But while you believe you will go to heaven, we believe that we will move along to the next lifetime to learn more of what is necessary to grow closer to the god/dess of all.
Blessed Be
White Willow

P.S. We try to respect all religious beliefs...yours too, however I regret to say that there is no such reciprocity issuing from other religions. If pagans sound a wee bit bitter toward your religious cause, it's probably because many of us came from a non-pagan background and found it, at least for us, to be lacking.

Comment by Lunalia Mondlicht

July 14th 2008 13:23
To the July 14th anonymous, I admire your point of view on things. I happen to be from a Pagan background, as my parents and grandparents and many generations before that were also Pagan, but yes, alot of today's Pagans are fairly new. There's nothing wrong with that, as long as they know what it is they are talking about having to do with our religion before they call themselves ours. I believe a big reason as to why many of the Christians believe "Satan" is a part of our religion, is because Christians go satanic and then call themselves Pagan. It's annoying. But as long as they atleast know what Paganism is really about, whatever. But anyways, people (no matter what their religion is) should research (at a reliable source, perhaps someone who has the religion) a religion before hating it. Some people don't do that though, unfortunately. Catholics and Christians have every born right to believe what they believe in, so do we. Pagans would have no problem with Christians anywhere if Christians weren't so caught up in their own bullshit. Their thought that their religion is the only route to anything good. Their motto is apparently "Either be Christian/Catholic and believe in Jesus and love him and make your life about kissing his ass or your gonna burn in hell". Some of them have their heads so far up their asses, I'm suprised they're not choking on their heads. It's all ignorance. Ofcourse, not all of them are that way, their are alot of nice Christian people out their, the ones that don't take their religion to an extreme and demanding level. But the majority of them is staggoring.

Comment by Anonymous

March 10th 2009 20:38
I wonder if anyone will come back to read this, since it's so long since the original posting...
I'm one of that little group of people you hardly ever hear from, the "unbeliever" with no agenda to push, just wish everyone would get on with the real world and stop trying to tell me about their own personal imaginary friend in the sky.
Most seem upset if they are questioned in their belief, while they also are quite good at questioning anyone else who thinks otherwise. Indeed, most of the believers that I know personally are happy to just get on with their lives. It's the extremes at both ends of all these systems that seem to be the ones doing most of the shouting at each other. It's really sad to see so much energy and time wasted by so many on these invisible father figures in the sky.

Comment by Anonymous

March 10th 2009 23:14
Dear Anonymous,

You're the one who visited this site and by your own admission, after such a long time since the original post. Why even bother to post at all? Be content in your NON belief and get on with it. Or could it be you're actually looking or some validation in which you could become a believer???
Nothing in this universe is an accident, there is a grand design to everything...call it mathematics, magic, religion, it doesn't matter...but there is more here than can be pooh poohed away.
But it matters not, I prefer to believe in something, than walk on a path of anonynimity, with nothing but the here and now...my non belief like a black cloak to enshroud me...but small comfort that. Finding that there is no grand design, no deity to guide us, no afterlife, no angels, no spirit guides, no ghosts of departed souls...Yet, I respect all religions, do not force myself on others, if they seek to know, they will ask me...I offer what I know and what I "believe" and if that's wasting energy...guilty as charged. My invisible god and goddess don't care and neither should you..
Not Anonymous...Michelle White Willow
p.s. this strain was started long before I became moderator of the site. however, I got the message that someone left a comment on my site...

Comment by Anonymous

March 11th 2009 15:21
wow... that was an amazing response! Why did I bother to post? Good question. I just came across this site accidentally while searching for something else. I guess after years of reading millions of lines like this, I finally felt I had to add a little something from the middle of the discussion. Going from your quick and angry-sounding response, you're right: I should "Be content in your NON belief and get on with it." Clearly it is a waste of time, at least here, to think a single comment from me would cause anyone to either think more deeply about the reasons for their own beliefs, or to even consider that there could be any reasonable alternatives. You sound happy with the invisible flying pink unicorn, or whatever you choose to believe. Go to it, I'll go away now and live my own happy life. (Well, I can see you don't think that is possible. But it is.) Maybe after having all the different believers shove there personal thoughts on the beyond down my throat for another few years, I'll get tired and make a single comment somewhere, and you'll return to remind me of how I should just stay quiet. bye.

Comment by Witch Willows Wanderings

March 11th 2009 15:45
Ahh, make no mistake, I am not angry, over what? ...your lack of belief? You're persecution complex.? .i.e."...believers shove their personal thoughts on the beyond down my throat..." Why bother visiting in a place where others who do believe write their thoughts then? Seems you enjoy the confrontation...

.. It makes not one iota to me what you believe or don't believe...You found MY Site...I didn't go looking for you. But I choose my battles, my anger is reserved for those things that are worth getting angry over.

I'm always willing to discuss "reasonable alternatives" with resonable people. You have a chip on your shoulder, and it is clear that no conversation with you would end on a satisfactory note for either one of us. There's a lot more I'd like to say, but why bother..clearly it is a waste of my time and yours...so with that I wish you a happy life. I'll take my "invisible flying pink unicorn" any day...
Blessings to you...
Michelle Whyte Willow

Comment by Anonymous

March 16th 2009 21:59
I give props to the anonymous with the time and date of March 10th 2009 20:38

Comment by Anonymous

March 16th 2009 21:59
I give props to the anonymous with the time and date of March 10th 2009 20:38

Comment by Ashlyn Hosenfeld

March 16th 2009 22:06
Verstehen sie Deutsch?

Comment by Anonymous

March 16th 2009 22:12
Well go ahead on with your bad self ANONYMOUS ...people of the world unit...Cause you sure the hell need someone to have your backs. Enjoy your anonynimity and get a real life...
Michelle Whyte Willow

Comment by Anonymous

March 27th 2009 21:56
XD March 16th 2009 22:12 rocks XD

Comment by Anonymous

March 27th 2009 21:56
XD March 16th 2009 22:12 rocks XD

Comment by Anonymous

April 1st 2009 15:56
I LOVE THE INVISIBLE FLYING PINK UNICORN!!!

Comment by Anonymous

April 2nd 2009 14:17
Only the Flying Spagehetti Monster can bring true salvation!

Comment by Anonymous

April 3rd 2009 16:11
O_____O I like the angelic flying dingle berry troll XD

Comment by Anonymous

April 6th 2009 03:15
Oh come on... we all know there is solid evidence for both the Flying Spagehetti Monster and the Invisible flying Pink Unicorn having created mankind, and that they will judge us all for good or evil. That's a given that any rational person can't deny. But an angelic flying dingle berry troll. Gosh, now you're just being silly!

Comment by Anonymous

April 12th 2009 02:21
But I saw him walking in the park the other day XD It's the first offspring of the Invisible Flying Pink Unicorn and the Flying Spagehetti Monster. The reason it became an Angelic Flying Dingle Berry Troll instead of the Angelic Flying Troll Monster is because he came out of the wrong end XD That's why he's not as pink as he was meant to be! XD XD XD

Comment by Anonymous

April 12th 2009 03:14
Ich liebe alles Sie!

Comment by Anonymous

April 25th 2009 00:19
Ich auch liebe alles Sie XD XD ^_^ ^_^

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